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Sarah Kolb from the Arvada Arts and Culture Commission, joins us to talk about some of the new public art projects in the city. 

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Inside Arvada, the City of Arvada's podcast, where we bring you conversations with the people who make Arvada a thriving community. Hear stories about the past, present and future of Arvada through the lens of the city team members who help make it all happen. Explore the complex topics impacting our community, from the roads you drive to the water you drink, the parks where you play to what your neighbors think. Join us as we take you Inside Arvada.

Speaker 2:

Hello and welcome to episode 23 of Inside Arvada, the official podcast of the City of Arvada. So glad you're tuning in to today's episode. We have a great guest on it's Sarah Kolb. She is the Director of Marketing and Communications for the Arvada Center. Great guest on it's Sarah Kolb. She is the Director of Marketing and Communications for the Arvada Center. She's been with the Arvada Center since 2015, and she also serves on the City of Arvada's Arts and Culture Commission and that's why we had her on to talk about some of the public art projects that the commission has sponsored recently around the city. Sarah also hosts her own podcast called However Improbable. That's a digital book club about Sherlock home books and, as always, I'm joined by my co-host, katie Patterson. Hi, katie.

Speaker 1:

Hey, sean. Yeah, it was really really fun and interesting to talk with Sarah. She talked about, like the mission of the Arts and Culture Commission around deepening people's connections to art around the city and it was really cool to just hear about some of these mural projects. I've personally seen some of them and some of them I haven't yet. So excited to get to talk with her and go out and see the murals. Hi, sarah, thanks so much for joining us today. So, just to kick us off, tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do for the city. Sure thing.

Speaker 3:

Thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to get to talk about arts and culture with you all. My name is Sarah Kolb. I am a member of the Arts and Culture Commission with the City of Nevada, which is a volunteer commission of people who do work to get more arts and culture around the city, and I also have the privilege of working at the Nevada Center for the Arts and Humanities, so I'm the marketing director. So I am in a nice and exciting position where I get to be involved with a nonprofit doing arts and culture work and also with the city doing arts and culture work.

Speaker 1:

Great experience to bring to both, then I'm sure.

Speaker 2:

And so you work for the Arvada Center, you serve on the Arts and Culture Commission. Can you explain a little bit how those two are separate but then also related?

Speaker 3:

You bet so for most of its existence. For the first 40 years of its life, the Arvada Center was a city department. For a really long time it was just a multimillion-dollar arts organization and it was part of the city. I was a city employee for two weeks a number of years ago and in 2015, the organization began the process to transition away from being a city wing and in 2016 became its own nonprofit 501c3 nonprofit organization.

Speaker 3:

So we're coming up on our 50th anniversary is coming up next year. So we're almost 10 years old as a nonprofit, almost 50 years old as an organization excuse me, an institution. So when that change really happened, the city which very graciously, I think, recognized the need for investment and continuing work in arts and culture from the city not just the nonprofit organization and a sort of early version of the Arts and Culture Commission was formed in 2015. I think it had maybe it was called the Arts Council back then and it's evolved a little bit since then, but it's a budget dedicated to public art and arts and culture and a number of very passionate people who really work to come up with ideas and give recommendations to city council and interface with other city departments to get arts and culture across the space. That's the short version.

Speaker 3:

I think A lot of people put a lot of time and effort into making that transition happen.

Speaker 2:

Yep. So a lot of crossover too, occasionally, I guess.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and the city is really the Arvada Center's biggest supporter and we enjoy a very close relationship and have a lot of collaboration. Absolutely Benefits everyone, I think. Yep.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so you're kind of already touching on this, but what are some of the main goals of the Arts and Culture Commission and how they impact?

Speaker 3:

our community. Yeah, so we have a vision of having some kind of public art, whatever that means, within a 10-minute walk of everyone in the city of Arvada, to bring people together, to strengthen our sense of community, to develop neighborhood identities and to make people feel proud of living here and enrich their lives and their experiences, both living and coming to visit Arvada. Our mission statement, I would say, is that we make places that deepen community attachment. So the vision for the Arts and Culture Commission is that Arvada is just a great place for artists to live and work and for people who love the arts to come and experience them Awesome.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the arts and culture is in the same work system as parks, the vibrant community neighborhoods, and so I think having a piece of public art within a 10 minute walk comes straight from our goal of having a park within a 10 minute walk. I think we're at 96% for parks. That's amazing. I'm not sure we've mapped out all public pieces of art to see exactly what percentage of residents are that close to a piece of public art. But a great goal to have that really kind of contextualizes like this is, you know, the impact that we want to have.

Speaker 3:

And we'll talk about this because I think we have some interesting examples of collaborations between the Parks Department and the Arts and Culture Department. But having people who really understand understand where people are using outdoor space and how people are using bikes and trails in our community then helps us understand where are great places for murals and sculptures and things like that. So it's a really nice synergy sometimes.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. Speaking of murals and bike paths in the public, we wanted to have you on right now because there's been several public art projects that are almost complete or complete around the city, one being that we wanted to start off with is the Garrison Street Underpass mural. It's located just west of Ralston Central Park, there along the Ralston Creek Trail where it goes underneath Garrison Street. So tell us a little bit more about this project, how it came about, because it's really got an interesting backstory of how it started from the community and then the commission kind of stepped in and helped make it happen.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's a really beautiful mural and, as of February 2025, it's just about finished, which is very exciting.

Speaker 3:

These things can really take a lot of time sometimes.

Speaker 3:

So the idea and this desire for some kind of mural along Ralston Creek in the stretch of park, came from a neighborhood group called the Flower Street Folks, so a bunch of people who live along Flower in that Alta Vista neighborhood area, which, coincidentally, is also the neighborhood that I live in, which is really nice because I get to benefit from the mural every day.

Speaker 3:

And they brought this idea up and I think it filtered through some neighborhood grant ideas, but it was very large in scope and kind of made its way to the Arts and Culture Commission and one of the things that, as a commission, we're able to do is help people fund public art projects like big murals and also help connect people with artists who can do that work. So we got this proposal. We were really excited about it. We were able to put together a call for entry and ended up picking this artist, katie, who ended up doing the piece that is now there on the mural, and it's just a really, I think, beautiful collaboration between the people living in that immediate area and the city and a reflection of the ecosystem and the space in which it's located.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, she did a great job of involving the community, which I think was kind of part of the original idea of the mural. And she had these. First she had workshops right where she invited people to come and learn about the creek there and the ecosystem, and some of those lessons learned in those workshops were incorporated then into the design of the mural. And then, when it came to painting the mural, she invited people back to help actually paint the mural. So it's been just a really community-driven project and just a neat project, because that's not always the case for these.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and the original proposal and the neighborhood group worked really hard to put this together and had such a clear vision, I think, of what they were hoping to see happen.

Speaker 3:

And their hope was both that the mural would reflect the ecology of, I think, a really special part of Arvada and Ralston Creek and that it would have some kind of community interactive component.

Speaker 3:

And they were really hoping it would be a way for their community and their neighborhood to get to know each other and maybe make some friends and feel proud of the piece of art rather than it just kind of appearing and they think it's beautiful.

Speaker 3:

But they really all got to participate and, like you mentioned, katie held a couple of nature walks where people walked through and looked at the different plants and animal species along the trail and she adjusted the murals design based on what they saw and then held a couple of open paint sessions where many people came and all got to participate. It's a huge long wall and it's kind of divided into these panels and so it just lended itself really naturally to letting people all leave their mark on it. So it was really really interactive and community focused and it was exciting, I think, to have this group of people with a vision and then be able to find an artist who was so excited about making that happen and she also happens to be an environmental educator and care very deeply about that, so it was just this really great collaboration.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and so we have a project page that you can learn more about it, and then, obviously, the best way is to go to yourself and see it and experience it yourself, and so I think there'll be a QR code here installed soon that complements the mural too, so you can learn a little bit more about the ecology that is incorporated and depicted in the mural.

Speaker 1:

And that one's like I think you have some good footage of this, but it's like a pink and blues and then there's a fish in it.

Speaker 3:

And there are birds and fish and some turtles and some muskrat things which I see all the time in the creek, yeah, and all kinds of wildlife and it's kind of above and below water, so it's really it looks kind of like a nature book illustration. It's really, really stunning. I'm so proud of it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's one I get to walk by sometimes, so I like that one. So another one that was recently is underway is the Quaker Street Underpass mural, and so this is a fully immersive mural experience located on the Ralston Creek Trail as well, and it goes under Quaker Street near the Westwoods Golf Course, and so I haven't actually seen this one, but, sean, I know you have and have mentioned. You really have to see it in person to experience it and really get a feel for how amazing it is. So tell us a little bit more about that project. Who's the artist? How did it come about?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, the artist that did this piece.

Speaker 3:

I think it's still in progress, but it's getting pretty close to being done and it's psychedelic and colorful and so so beautiful.

Speaker 3:

Her name is Anna Charney and she's and this one came about because I think it was just someone who rides her bike and walks her dog along that stretch of trail which is west of town sent us some images and was like, hey, this would be a really cool spot for a mural because it's a really unique part of the trail it's really a tunnel that the bike trail goes underneath and we took it as an opportunity, I think, to think of a really interesting way to experience a mural, where often you just kind of walk past them.

Speaker 3:

But this mural really covers the whole wall and so it's across the whole stretch of the tunnel and it moves. On the east side it's more green, and on the west side, where the sun sets, it's more oranges and yellows. So Anna was really clever in, I think, how she conceptualized what it would feel like to move from one side of the tunnel to the other and she does these really cool kind of like fractal, spirally shapes, and so you really are just immersed by her ideas when you walk through the space and I was really excited about this and this is similar of the Ralston Creek Trail too, but this you really have to be on a bike or walking to get to this mural in particular, and so many people in Nevada and in Colorado love to use our parks and trails, and now there's this piece of public art that's also part of that experience, and people do that every day, so I think that was just really exciting too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's super cool. I'm really excited to get over there and see it and we have that construction. This is reminding me we have a construction project right there right now. So in my vein of things, I'm thinking about that. But you can still get to the mural in that part of the trail. Still, it's detoured right at the edge of that mural.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, quaker goes north-south and then I think it's like Westwood Circle or something you can turn off of and park there, like on the side street that's right along the Westwoods Golf Course. But yeah, you still have to get out and walk quite a bit to go experience it. But, as Katie said, it's something you have to go experience for yourself. I mean, we've got photos, we've got a page for this one too, and some video.

Speaker 3:

But you really got to be standing.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and to just understand the breadth of it and the detail that she has. Like, I was showing my son some pictures of it and he was kind of confused by the three-dimensional aspects. He's like, wait a second, what is that? And I was like, well, it's made to look. Yeah, exactly, I should go bring him out there. It's kind of like a kaleidoscope.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yeah, and people will recognize another mural that Anna is doing in the city. That's not sponsored by the city or the Arts and Culture Commission, but a very similar looking mural over there off Wadsworth and like 76 Avenue near the Indian Tree Golf Course.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, same artist, same kind of it's just a really distinctive style.

Speaker 2:

Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3:

I also think it's cool when you kind of get to know a muralist's style and can spot their work kind of around Denver and around town.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and then, similar to the Garrison Street mural, there is going to be like a QR code to complement the mural, and so I think they're very similar to projects in that the mural's pretty much done, but the QR code still needs to get installed and when it's finished I think later either this month or next month you can go scan the QR code at this Quaker Street mural and it's going to provide you with an augmented reality experience. That's really all I know. I'm excited to see what this looks like in action. Absolutely.

Speaker 1:

The immersive art is very in trend on brand I don't know right now, and so it's cool to see that kind of being incorporated in some of this work.

Speaker 2:

When you go through a tunnel with one of these or you see one of these murals, it just like enhances your experience so much that when you go pass by just a plain canvas wall, you're like why isn't there one here? They should be everywhere.

Speaker 3:

Well, we love thoughts and suggestions for walls that could use some public art. We always love those ideas.

Speaker 2:

And then the third and final mural that was recently completed was an update to the Babe Walls murals, and that's also along the Ralston Creek Trail, but this is more on the east side of town. Cross streets are like 58th and Harlan-ish there, and this is a huge mural project that was started in 2021. It was like the Babe Walls festivals, where a whole bunch of artists teamed up with younger artists and created a long, long stretch of several murals, and recently Daniel Seawalker, who was part of the original festivals, came back and did a refresh to a couple of the murals that just needed a little touch up, and so a couple of new murals added to that project. Tell us a little bit more about the Babe Walls and how unique that whole project is.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, babe Walls. They're essentially an artist collective that I think their mission is to get more women and non-binary artists to have public art opportunities, which sometimes are limited, and we were really excited to bring that to the city of Nevada in 2021. So it's, like you said, a huge stretch of an underpass along Ralston Creek with many, many murals, and these artist teams worked together collaboratively to do a piece of the wall. So there are, I think it's over a dozen different murals kind of along the stretch and they're all really different and they have different character and are really exciting and colorful to look at.

Speaker 3:

And the Danielle C Walker mural, which was completed this past fall, was an exciting opportunity.

Speaker 3:

The original mural had some damage and then a piece of it along the stretch was originally done in wheat paste, which is sort of meant to be temporary and it's meant to weather and change and eventually fall off the wall as rain and snow and wind and all of that impact it and we're going to have to do some repairs and make some updates to the walls anyway.

Speaker 3:

But it was a great opportunity to have Danielle come in and do some new work and kind of refresh that space. And Danielle is Lakota, she is an indigenous artist and that's really an important part of her iconography and her art practice indigenous artists and that's really an important part of her iconography and her, her art practice. And the piece is this cool kind of pop culture ideas of indigenous women and it's really playful and really colorful and fun and, um, we're really excited to uh to have her, I think, expand maybe her vision a little bit and uh, give that a little facelift yeah, similar to to anna, she, danielle has a very distinctive style that once you kind of see a few of her pieces, you can then recognize what else is hers too, because it's very unique.

Speaker 2:

So, like the other two, go out and check out the Bay Balls murals plural when you get a chance and, I think, very similar to Quaker. You have to either travel on foot or bike to actually access this. There's not like anywhere super close to park, but our baddens love to be out and about.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I think that's kind of the magic of public art like this is you will discover them as you are just kind of traveling around town.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely so. You know, those are some of the recent projects that are kind of nearing the finish line that the Arts and Culture Commission has sponsored. What's kind of in the future for the commission down the road. What other projects do you have going on?

Speaker 3:

We have at least one other mural project being planned this summer.

Speaker 3:

The reason why we've focused a lot on murals is maybe two years ago we did a community survey and really heard from people in Arvada that they were excited to see more mural public art projects around the city from people in Arvada that they were excited to see more mural and public art projects around the city, and we know a lot of mural artists and it's just a great way, without sometimes a ton of leg work, to make that happen.

Speaker 3:

So there are some more things mural-related that are on the horizon. There are a couple of major sculpture pieces that at the moment are on the grounds of the Arvada Center, which is city property, that we're hoping to move to get some more visibility and bring some more public art to different parts of town and where I was thinking about the collaboration between Parks and Rec and the Arts and Culture Commission. Parks and Rec was able to identify a couple of public parks that have great locations for public sculptures, which just is a great way for us to think about how people are using space and where it's going to be a spot that these sculptures can just get a lot of love and make parks feel a little special. So that was kind of an exciting thing that's going to happen at some point this year.

Speaker 2:

Very cool.

Speaker 3:

And then you mentioned this kind of like following the trail and discovering public art as you're walking. We're really hoping to develop a comprehensive public art map of the things in the city's collection that the city has supported, so people are able to pick this up. I think we want it to be kind of interactive and digital, and that's that's the vision, but also something probably printed out so you can then go find these pieces and discover them and learn about them and get to know the artists and find them yourself. So that's, yeah, kind of what we're working on in 2025.

Speaker 2:

Very exciting. And then I know finally there's also the short story dispenser that the commission has purchased. And tell us more about that, because it just so happens to be at the Arvada Center.

Speaker 3:

Yes, it's currently housed. It's in the Black Box Lobby at the Arvada Center and the short story dispenser is. It's a really cool device and it is a free dispenser of short stories and poetry and it moves around from different businesses and locations around the city. We've had it for a couple of years and the idea is that it's an unexpected moment of literature where you maybe aren't anticipating finding something interesting to read. So it's been at City Hall, it's been in coffee shops and breweries.

Speaker 3:

I think it should be at the DMV or someplace like that where people are waiting in line. It's currently at the Arvada Center and it will go to Majestic View Nature Center after it's stopped at the Arvada Center, so that it's cool because it really just can take up space. It's not very large and it brings something extra and an arts and culture experience wherever it happens to be located, and we're always looking for locations and businesses interested in hosting it for three months at a time. So if you have a little corner and some space or anywhere where people are standing around in line and waiting for something to happen, that's a great location and we're always looking for ideas.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we'll put it in the show notes. Adele Burton's contact information it's as simple as just sending her an email and she'll get you on the schedule. And it's free to host.

Speaker 3:

We will have someone go and drop it off. We move it around and pick it up and troubleshoot it if it has problems, but it is pretty self-contained.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely All right. I think we're ready for the lightning round.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's super cool. I've learned a lot. This is the easiest part, right, just about you. Quick questions to help folks get to know you a little bit. So you talked about a lot of projects. What has been your favorite project you've done as part of the Arts and Culture Commission?

Speaker 3:

and it was really special, I think, for the people who literally live a street or two over from me, knowing that they were so passionate about the idea and being able to make that happen. And then they really showed up and helped make it happen and supported the artist and it's so beautiful and it's just like part of what that space feels like. So that definitely is kind of the top of my mind. It's the thing that I'm most proud of from last year.

Speaker 1:

That's great Me too, because, as I mentioned, that's when I get to see the most stuff.

Speaker 3:

And every time I walk by it, which again is like I go to that Corvus Coffee all the time.

Speaker 1:

I know. I was like oh, it's Meryl, I love you so much. Yeah, it makes me happy, that's great. What's your favorite?

Speaker 3:

We were talking a lot about beer and Ralston Creek, so I'm going to throw out Odyssey Beer Works, which is my favorite place to get a beer, and my spouse and I have been mug club members for a number of years, and so from my place you bike past Babe Walls to get to Odyssey. Yeah, nice, which is all just like coming together. But the people who own it, chris and Deanna, are just super, super nice and it's a great community spot and their beer is delicious.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I know they're really involved too. What was your first, last or best concert?

Speaker 3:

So my parents just retired in Salida and they were living in Northern Arizona for a long time and I think are taking advantage of, like being near-ish, the big city, and my dad and I both love bluegrass music and so I took him to Mission Ballroom for the first time to see the infamous String Dusters a couple of weeks ago and the music started at 6.45 and he kept me there until 11.30.

Speaker 1:

So like getting to hang out with my dad and share something we really love was magical, but I was like we got to go home. I'm tired, my feet hurt.

Speaker 3:

Man, we're done. That's so funny he's out partying me at this stage in our lives, that's great.

Speaker 1:

He's out partying me at this stage in our lives that's great. What brought?

Speaker 3:

you to Arvada. I've been in Denver for about a decade, or, yeah, a little over a decade. I went to grad school here and ended up moving to Arvada because I got a job at the Arvada Center Nice, what was your first job? My first paying job was at a Starbucks in a Target in Flagstaff, arizona. My first like sort of being responsible for other people job was I helped teach like five-year-olds ballet when I was in high school.

Speaker 1:

Okay, that seems like it was probably very interesting. It was.

Speaker 3:

I mean pretty adorable, but also sort of like herding cats. The cats are in leotards.

Speaker 1:

That's great. Well, before we let you go, we wanted to let you give a little plug for anything coming up at the Arvada Center, anything that you want to talk about there.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, as this is being released, we'll have just opened our spring play which is called Clybourne Park, which is in our smaller black box theater and a really interesting piece of theater. That's kind of a sequel to A Raisin in the Sun, which is this very famous piece of kind of like black theater in the black theater canon about housing tensions and race in Chicago, and Clybourne Park is kind of a response to that and it's looking at how tensions of housing and gentrification and your attachment to neighborhoods and your nostalgia around what a neighborhood is like changes over a 50-year period. And it's also funny, it's like a satire, like black comedy. So I'm really excited to get that open and to have people come see that piece of theater.

Speaker 3:

And then the summer concert series at the Yerba Vata Center is always a really good time. We have one concert on sale right now which is Trombone Shorty, which I'm very stoked about, and we'll have a lot more being announced in April. I feel like our outdoor amphitheater, which is a beautiful space. It's 1500 seats, kind of midsize, parking is free, it's easy to get there, it's so chill and people don't always know that we do concerts and that's maybe just something to keep an eye out. If you like live music but also don't like the hassle of getting into Denver or getting to Red Rocks, it's really kind of fun.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, thanks. I have tickets to Clybourne Park and I'm looking forward to the concerts Summer concerts I'm really.

Speaker 3:

I think it's a very smart play and I love a play that makes you think. I love a big musical too. Obviously, I think a lot of people know us for our big flash of musicals, which are so fun, but I also like a piece that's just well acted and well written, and that's what this one will be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, thanks for coming on today, Sarah. It was great having you. Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2:

Thank you All. Right before we let you go, we'll conclude with our news and notes section. The work on the city's Lake Arbor Center and golf course master plan continues. We're hosting an open house for the community on Thursday, february 20th at the Lake Arbor Golf Course from 4 to 6 pm. There'll be a survey that folks can take that attend that meeting or online. If you aren't able to attend the meeting, you can also visit the webpage for more information.

Speaker 2:

Winterfest is also fast approaching. It's Saturday, february 22nd in Old Town, arvada, and this is the city's annual outdoor multicultural celebration, excited to have a new location this year, as I mentioned, in Old Town Square. We'll link in the show notes more information about that festival. And then, finally, might be kind of in the middle of winter right now, but the Arvada Reservoir is actively looking for more volunteers for the 2025 season. The Reservoir is open April through May, but training is in March, so now is the perfect time to sign up to be a volunteer and you can sign up at arvadacogov slash rangers and Katie. Speaking of water, I know Resource Central has a way for folks to save on their water use.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So the city partners with Resource Central every year to offer discounts to our water customers to help save money and improve your lawns and outdoor space. So that includes a garden in the box program, lawn replacement and slow the flow sprinkler evaluations. And particularly the lawn replacement program does have an application process. That's open now for summer lawn replacement, and all of the programs tend to sell out or fill up, and so we really encourage folks to join the interest list if there's something that you might want to take advantage of from them, and that's resourcecentralorg.

Speaker 1:

We also have more information on our city website. If you just search water saving programs, you can find that information and where you can get discounts, what programs. And then we've been talking about the city manager recruitment recently. They did reopen that recruitment process recently, and so, just like last time, as they select finalists, there'll be an opportunity for community members to meet those finalists at an open house, likely sometime in April, and so we'll continue to provide updates and there's information on the website as well. And then city council is actually shifting their meetings from Mondays to Tuesdays to try and reduce the disruptions from Monday holidays, so that'll help them really maintain a more consistent schedule and support timely public hearings and contract approvals and ordinance updates, so we'll link to more information on that as well.

Speaker 2:

All right. Thanks again to our guest today, sarah Kolb. Be sure to listen to our next episode featuring Maureen Fair from the Arvada Urban Renewal Authority and, as always, you can stay in touch with the podcast by visiting our website at arvadacogov slash podcast. You can also email us at podcast at arvadaorg. You can always reach out with questions or suggestions and be sure to rate, review and subscribe. Let your friends, your neighbors and your coworkers know about the podcast as we continue to grow our listenership. Before I leave you with a fun fact, I wanted to mention that today's episode was recorded and edited by Arvada Media Services. And now I'll leave you with the fun fact that the Quaker Street Underpass mural is 133 feet long and covers more than 5,000 square feet if you include the entire ceiling of the underpass.

Speaker 1:

Whoa.